You will anyway because it's a large part of your readership nowadays.

A lot of us who just shrug our shoulders at the vast majority of deathcore (though, as with any genre, there are gems - Beneath The Massacre take a bow) have faced this a while ago, so isn't this thread a bit pointless unless you want another 'Is Deathcore Shit?' thread?

Yes. It's no worse than the majority of death metal, plenty of which already clogs up the mag. My tastes don't really coincide with what the mag puts in it so I'd have to say yes.

I say cover it a little, just don't go overboard with it.

Everything in moderation is the key.

I disagree, it's a different question. I don't really have any interest in folk metal, but whether or not I think it's shit will yield a different answer to whether I think it belongs in the magazine .

Ah okay.

Well, in that case, it depends if you want to go just for the quality stuff, as Was suggests, or what a large percentage of your readership wants and feature the B and C league stuff.

I'd love you to go for option A, but business is business...

'Business is business' should be the new strapline!

Extreme music - No Boundaries. That's the soundbyte, right?

So, more contemporary classical, jazz and noise. I think Terrorizer can learn alot from The Wire and Rocka Rolla, without wanting to sound patronising.

Would it sell more magazines? NO!

Deathcore is undeniably a form of Metal, and it bears strong resemblance to Metal subgenres Terrorizer already covers - it should definitely be included. Don't worry about avoiding the more popular Kerrangy! bands, either - that never put us off Slayer or anyone else with mainstream approval.

so, what's deathcore then? who is an example of it? The Black Dahlia Murder?

I have no idea about this sub-genre.


WAS: not so sure about jazz, but there is definitely a place for some contemporary classical in Terrorizer, since it's often more extreme than the art-metal bands they tend to cover.

Fuckin' right!

More thrash punk, punk, proper hardcore, as well as the what you mentioned Was.

The obvious boundary they do have is colour, not in the musicians, but certainly in the music styles. As I asked before, they had Astral frickin' Weeks in the mag, then why not Sun Ra or Kool Keith? They're extreme as fvkkk!!

Amen, RB. True dat!

Sun Ra is more kvlt than any hairy motherfucker in the latest issue, that is for certain.

However, would including such luminaries put kids off reading it, or inspire them to seek out new musics?

I don't know.

It wouldn't suit the market to say the least. The "no boundaries" tag is just a posture really, nowt wrong with it. Just saying is all.

The posters here don't represent the average readers whatsoever I'd imagine. Ex-pro musicians, professionals, middle-aged collectors post here. If I was 15 I'd be fucked if I'd sit down and listen to some old shit like Sun Ra, Robert Fripp, Comus or whoever I like to now. I wanted to listen to Anthrax and Hard-Ons as loud as possible, get access to girls and alcohol and pretend to be older than I was. Tp paraphrase Slipknot, teenagers = shit.

I think you hit the nail on the head right there!

As for Deathcore in Terrorizer, I think it depends on why you want to do it - if it's just to appear cool to the kids and increase revenue then why not, if that's what Terrorizer is about these days. If there's not really a want for it within the current readership then why risk it?

Having said that though, it's good for any magazine to be as objective and broad ranging as possible, maybe you could have a 'token deathcore band for the kids' feature or summat

Let quality be the guide, as much as possible I'd say. Obviously filling pages, press, a bit of hype and fashion will dictate the content of all the mags to a certain extent, but if there's some good bands out there who play Deathcore then let's hear them. Problem is though all the "Breeee!", "Is Deathcore shit?" threads haven't yielded one band that seem to be worth listening to.

I read the UKDM special (which may or may not be deathcore) and listened to the fear candy extra but none of it did anything for me. So if deathcore is included I'll simply ignore it. no one forces us to read every page.


i just think it's a shame that Tez seems to have lost the willingness to look beyond metal for extreme sounds. You had articles on Borredoms and Scorn but it seems that writer has gone and the remit has narrowed. I think it's due to the editorial change but if you're going to include deathcore can you not expand to encompass others?

I fucking loathe the Wire. The word pretentious is bandied about far too much, but it's wholly deserved when applied to that rag.

Yeah,it is pretentious, but it does cover some good musics...

I first heard about Sun Ra because of Terrorizer. Brutal Truth mentioned him in an interview.

Cool, H-R.

This is a good way to find new music actually. When a band I enjoy lists influences / bands I haven't heard of, I am usually interested in checking them out.

I think it should be covered but Terrorizer should avoid bandwagoning like the last issue. By proclaiming these young British death metal bands to be the next big thing just comes across as hype and I feel that it will look bad on the magazine in a few years time when the majority amount to nothing. We really don't need Trigger the Bloodshed on every page. I also feel that the time and effort would be better spent on finding new bands that are doing something special.

I did feel that the stance taken by the 'British death metal special' was slightly Metal Hammer-ish - not in the quality of bands, but the presentation I meant. But anyway, you can't really say 'genre x should be totally excluded from the magazine' because there's always overlap. It's not like every band in the magazine is liked by all of its readers, is it? If there's a feature on a band I don't like, I don't read it, I just skip to the bit about Brutal Truth's new album.

I think the comparison to 'folk metal' is a good one - a lot of that is just aimed at stupid teenagers in Viking hats, but no disputes whether or not it's metal, cos of course it is. Same here really.

It's certainly crucial that Tegs continues to support non-metallic extreme music, as it is preferable to wholly metallic extreme toss, and it's been an important facet of the mag from its earliest days.

There was an Industrial Special being planned about eight years ago, what happened to that? Oof, hang on, of the staff I discussed it with in a boozer in 2002, NONE are still with us...

Still, good idea though.

An industrial special would be great actually and would be very informative for someone taking their first steps into extreme music, considering that the mainstream mags only ever mention industrial when mentioning NiN or Fear Factory

Industrial special = awesomeness.

Deathcore? Sure, why not.

It should be included, yes.

It won't make me start buying it again...

Terrorizer was my fave mag before I started writing for it strictly because it covered a range of extreme music, not just metal, and I'm sure not all youths out there are consumerist zombies, and many are curious to find out about bands that don't have ringtones yet, metal and otherwise.

The very question 'should T cover deathcore' manifests a process of narrowing its scope. Suddenly the question is about deathcore and not about Pansonic, Coil, Diamanda Galas, Boris etc. In the current issue the Earth Crisis feature isn't mentioned on the mag's cover - No, I don't point that out cos I wrote it, but cos it shows that even EC is now in the margins of what we cover.

I can't think of any reason for this narrowing down besides a conclusion that that's the way to sell more copies. I'm saddened that the very identity and uniqueness of the mag must be sacrificed in order for it to stay afloat. I can only hope that when the economy stabilises, this tendency will prove to be reversible.

I can also wonder, genuinely as I don't know the stats and figures - is going strictly metal with the added nod to 'what kids dig' the best way, commercially speaking? Because quite often I bump into people who enjoy a range of underground genres and never heard of Terrorizer precisely because it doesn't cover industrial, experimental, post-rock, etc. These people are mostly over 30 and very loyal - the kind of people who still buy CDs or vinyl. Perhaps they can/should be made more aware of Terrorizer, and perhaps covering more ground combined with letting other crowds know we do is more beneficial on the long run than constantly second-guessing what the kids would be into next?

Say, if there's an industrial special, ads can be placed in mags/websites that cater to this genre.

Yeah all that.

agree 100%, and no Earth Crisis is not mentioned on the cover. Ensiferum get a mention but not Earth Crisis. I've never even heard of Ensiferum. Am i that far behind?




You do not have to be a genius to realise that death and black metal are not as popular as they used to be. Many bands can no longer make a living off music that paid the bills 10-15 years ago. I definitely agree that Terrorizer should cater more for the 'older crowd', but at the same time, while the older crowd is relatively loyal, they are also more 'set' in their listening habits IMO. just an observation, i could be wrong, but the conclusion i deduce from this--rightly or not--is that they are less likely to buy a magazine because they 'know what they like'.

Therefore, an increased focus on 'peripheral' extreme artists could--although not necessarily--end up being the downfall of the mag.

I don't want to be overly presumptuous here, but the people i meet that enjoy artists like Diamanda Galas, Boris, Sunn etc wouldn't go near a magazine like Terrorizer with a ten foot pole.

It's tricky.

I think SatRad has hit the nail on the head. Much as I kept on requesting a p.e. special in Tez actually I think it's pretty pointless. ZT have not only done a 3 part industrial special but now have a pe noise feature every issue. Rock a Rolla covers the post rock, avant-garde angle and I read Tez for the extreme metal side of things. Maybe it's no longer appropriate for a magazine to cover everything, I don't know.

Each magazine has it's select audience.